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Business Insider
3 hours ago
- Business
- Business Insider
OpenAI cofounder Greg Brockman says vibe coding has taken away some of the fun parts of being an engineer
OpenAI's cofounder said vibe coding has left human engineers to do quality control. On an episode of Stripe's "Cheeky Pint" podcast uploaded last week, OpenAI's cofounder and president, Greg Brockman, said that AI coding will only get better. But until then, it's taking away some parts of software engineering that he said are enjoyable. "What we're going to see is AIs taking more and more of the drudgery, more of this like pain, more of the parts that are not very fun for humans," Brockman said. He added, "So far, the vibe coding has actually taken a lot of code that is actually quite fun." He said that the state of AI coding has left humans to review and deploy code, which is "not fun at all." Brockman added that he is "hopeful" for progress in these other areas, to the point that we end up with a " full AI coworker" that could handle delegated tasks. Changing engineering landscape Using AI to write code, dubbed " vibe coding" by OpenAI cofounder Andrej Karpathy, has skyrocketed this year. Engineers and novices alike are using tools like Microsoft's Copilot, Cursor, and Windsurf to write code, develop games, and even build websites from scratch. Vibe coding has already started changing how much Big Tech and venture capital value people with software engineering expertise. In March, Y Combinator's CEO, Gary Tan, said that vibe coding is set to transform the startup landscape. He said that what would've once taken "50 or 100" engineers to build can now be accomplished by a team of 10, "when they are fully vibe coders." Earlier this month, Business Insider reported that AI coding is no longer a nice-to-have skill. Job listings from Visa, Reddit, DoorDash, and a slew of startups showed that the companies explicitly require vibe coding experience or familiarity with AI code generators like Cursor and Bolt. Still, some in tech circles say leaning on it heavily is short-sighted and the job is being trivialized. Bob McGrew, the former chief research officer at OpenAI, said that while product managers can make "really cool prototypes" with vibe coding, human engineers will still be brought in to "rewrite it from scratch." "If you are given a code base that you don't understand — this is a classic software engineering question — is that a liability or is it an asset? Right? And the classic answer is that it's a liability," McGrew said of software made with vibe coding. GitHub's CEO, Thomas Dohmke, said that vibe coding may also slow down experienced coders. On a podcast episode released last week, he said that a worst-case scenario is when a developer is forced to provide feedback in natural language when they already know how to do it in a programming language. That would be "basically replacing something that I can do in three seconds with something that might potentially take three minutes or even longer," Dohmke said.
Business Insider
a day ago
- Business
- Business Insider
Meta's CFO describes her mortifying first day on the Morgan Stanley trading floor
Her first day on Morgan Stanley's trading floor, Susan Li was "mortified." Li, who is now Meta's CFO, started at the bank around two decades ago when she was just 19, after graduating from Stanford sooner than most of her peers. "When I showed up at Morgan Stanley for my first day, I was on the trading floor in the big Broadway headquarters at 1585, and the equivalent of an HRBP basically got the attention of everyone on the trading floor," Li told Stripe cofounder John Collison on his podcast Cheeky Pint. "And so she wanted everyone on the floor to stop and look at me and know that no one was to serve me any alcohol at any company gathering." It was about par for the course for the industry, she added. "So it was exactly the way you think about beginning your career on Wall Street, by being mortified," she said. The Meta CFO talked about some of the potential pros and cons of advancing through the education system so quickly. "Well, some might say, because I started kindergarten when I was four and I graduated from college when I was 19, that having 15 years of formal education is — I'm woefully under-educated, as it were, so I'm really just having to make up for that rough start," Li said. She was able to sprint through her education, she added, in part because the institutions she attended noticed when students needed different challenges to keep them engaged. "I was in a school system that identified when kids were bored in school and then just gave you opportunities to keep moving ahead, and my parents always took them," she said. Li first joined Meta in 2008, eventually rising to the rank of CFO at 36 years old, making her one of the youngest chief financial officers in an industry where the average age of people in similar positions is 53. Working for a Wall Street heavyweight When Li finally entered the professional circuit as a banker, she said she worked with Michael Grimes, the former head of global technology investment banking at Morgan Stanley. Grimes is currently a senior official at the United States Department of Commerce. Li said she remembered Grimes' energetic nature and curiosity, as well as his ability to outwork anyone. "Grimes is extraordinarily, very high-energy — applies that to a whole host of things," Li said. "You go talk to Michael about tech companies, about banking, about parenting, about why there should be more undergraduate sales programs in colleges in the country. He's got a point of view on everything, and he's endlessly curious." Morgan Stanley and Meta did not respond to a request for comment by Business Insider prior to publication. Li added that Grimes's behavior served as a sort of model for her own. "He is going to outwork you and outlearn you. It's actually a pretty spectacular thing as a young person starting in your career to see what excellence at this looks like," Li said.
Business Insider
4 days ago
- Business
- Business Insider
Meta's finance chief says Mark Zuckerberg is 'world-class' at giving feedback
On Wednesday's episode of the "Cheeky Pint" podcast hosted by Stripe cofounder John Collison, Meta's chief financial officer, Susan Li said that Zuckerberg has refined his ability to give constructive feedback over the years they've worked together. The Meta CEO has also become a great public speaker, Li said. She said that the feedback Zuckerberg gives is timely, direct, and respectful. "But the sort of direct and respectful — it's never mean, it's never belaboring some point, but you could not be mistaken after you have received the feedback," she said. "He walks that line between being direct but kind in an extremely good way," she added. Li, who has spent nearly two decades rising through the ranks at Meta, says being open to feedback has been key to her success. She joined the company, then called Facebook, in 2008 as part of the finance team and was named CFO in November 2022. Whenever people ask her what it takes to stay at a company for so long, she always gives the same answer, she said: "Just be a person who's good at receiving feedback." While Zuckerberg may excel at giving feedback, receiving it might not be his strongest suit. Meta's tech chief, Andrew Bosworth, saidlast year that Zuckerberg often pushes back at first when presented with feedback. "He'll most often tell you that you're wrong," Bosworth said during a 2024 appearance on "Lenny's Podcast." However, Bosworth added that the Meta CEO will typically come around and, after reflection, start implementing the suggestions he previously dismissed.
Business Insider
4 days ago
- Business
- Business Insider
Meta's finance chief says Mark Zuckerberg is 'world-class' at giving feedback
Mark Zuckerberg is "world-class" at giving feedback, said one of his top execs. On Wednesday's episode of the "Cheeky Pint" podcast hosted by Stripe cofounder John Collison, Meta's chief financial officer, Susan Li said that Zuckerberg has refined his ability to give constructive feedback over the years they've worked together. The Meta CEO has also become a great public speaker, Li said. She said that the feedback Zuckerberg gives is timely, direct, and respectful. "But the sort of direct and respectful — it's never mean, it's never belaboring some point, but you could not be mistaken after you have received the feedback," she said. "He walks that line between being direct but kind in an extremely good way," she added. Li, who has spent nearly two decades rising through the ranks at Meta, says being open to feedback has been key to her success. She joined the company, then called Facebook, in 2008 as part of the finance team and was named CFO in November 2022. Whenever people ask her what it takes to stay at a company for so long, she always gives the same answer, she said: "Just be a person who's good at receiving feedback." While Zuckerberg may excel at giving feedback, receiving it might not be his strongest suit. Meta's tech chief, Andrew Bosworth, said last year that Zuckerberg often pushes back at first when presented with feedback. "He'll most often tell you that you're wrong," Bosworth said during a 2024 appearance on "Lenny's Podcast." However, Bosworth added that the Meta CEO will typically come around and, after reflection, start implementing the suggestions he previously dismissed. A representative for Li, contacted through Meta, did not immediately respond to a request for comment sent by BI outside regular hours.
