Poisoning victim's dad vows to stop reopening of Laos hostel
The father of Holly Bowles, a young woman who died by suspected poisoning in a Laotian backpacker hostel in November 2024, has vowed to ensure the venue is never allowed to reopen.
Shaun Bowles told 2GB's Ben Fordham on Tuesday morning it was 'unfathomable' to hear news of the hostel's plan to reopen under a new name.
'The potential of this happening to someone else is very real because obviously they haven't changed their ways,' Mr Bowles said.
'We're gonna put our heads together with some people and we're gonna do everything we can to make sure that place doesn't reopen because it's just not right,' he said.
'To have no justice and to find out that they're going to reopen the backpackers … it's just the worst news.'
Nana Backpacker hostel became the centre of international attention in November 2024 after six backpackers, including two 19-year-old Australian women, died after a suspected methanol poisoning.
Mr Bowles' daughter Holly and her friend Bianca Jones had been drinking at the venue, which plans to reopen later this year under the name 'Vang Vieng Central Backpackers Hostel'.
One English backpacker who recovered from the suspected poisoning told the BBC it was 'unbelievable' to hear of the hostel's reopening.
Bethany Clarke and her friend Simone White fell ill one day after drinking free vodka shots at Nana Backpackers, and while Bethany was able to recover, Simone would succumb to her illness several days later.
'I'm shocked. If it's the same management or ownership involved, I wouldn't trust them,' Ms Clarke said.
'It's just unbelievable because we know that was where we were poisoned.'
Mr Bowles believes the Laotian government is not taking the deaths seriously.
'They tell us that it's sitting with the prosecutors but … we can't even get a meeting with the Laos ambassador to Australia in Canberra to ask some questions and to find out some answers,' he told Fordham.
'We remember (Holly) so fondly … someone needs to be held accountable,' he said.
The hostel now appears on TripAdvisor under the newly proposed name, however bookings cannot be made through the site.
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Is Erin Patterson a cold and calculated killer, or an accidental poisoner who panicked fearing she would be blamed? That is the question jurors in Victorian mother's triple-murder trial will be tasked with answering. After seven weeks of evidence and four days of closing arguments from both sides of the bar table, the jury was sent home earlier on Thursday afternoon with a final message from Justice Christopher Beale. 'It is more important than ever that you have a good weekend,' the trial judge said. 'I really want you to come back refreshed on Tuesday.' Ms Patterson, 50, is facing trial after pleading not guilty to the murders of Don Patterson, Gail Patterson and Heather Wilkinson, and the attempted murder of Ian Wilkinson. Prosecutors allege she deliberately poisoned a beef wellington lunch for the two couples with death cap mushrooms, while her defence say it was a tragic accident. 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Simon pulled out the evening before, while the four lunch guests arrived about 12.30pm at Ms Patterson's Leongatha home. After the lunch, it's alleged Ms Patterson raised a fabricated cancer diagnosis to explain away the 'otherwise unusual lunch invitation'. 'You might be wondering why on earth would she tell such a lie?' Dr Rogers asked. ' Well, the prosecution says that the accused never thought she would have to account for this lie … her lie would die with them.' Dr Rogers told the jury it was the Crown's case Ms Patterson prepared six individually portioned beef wellingtons – five containing death cap mushrooms – with the sixth 'clearly intended' for her husband should he have changed his mind. She pointed to evidence from Ian Wilkinson that the four guests ate off large grey dishes while Ms Patterson had a smaller 'orangey-tan' plate, and Simon's evidence that Heather told him she noticed the accused woman had a coloured plate that was 'different to the rest'. 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Prosecutors say it is unclear what she did during this time, but argued her behaviour was not consistent with someone being told they'd potentially consumed a deadly toxin and their life was in danger. Dr Rogers said the Crown alleged the only 'logical explanation' was Ms Patterson knew very well she had not eaten death caps and had fled home to work out how to manage the situation. She returned to hospital at 9.48am, allegedly feigning being sick, and was transferred to the Monash Medical Centre in Melbourne. Dr Rogers told the jury Ms Patterson was discharged 24 hours after returning to hospital, with medical results showing no evidence of mushroom poisoning. The prosecutor alleged the accused woman's actions after returning home amounted to a 'cover up'. These included allegedly lying about feeding the leftovers, without the mushrooms and pastry, to her kids, dumping the food dehydrator used to dry death caps and handing a 'dummy phone' to police. 'Phone B, we say, is a dummy phone set up deliberately by the accused to trick the police and to conceal the existence and, most importantly, the contents of her usual mobile phone,' Dr Rogers said. As part of her closing address, Dr Rogers pointed to what the Crown allege are five 'calculated deceptions' they say lie at the heart of the case. These allegedly were; the fabricated cancer claim, the lethal dose of poison 'secreted' in a home cooked meal, Ms Patterson feigning being sick, the cover-up and the untruthful evidence given from the witness box. She told the jury understanding the deceptions would allow them to 'safely reject any reasonable possibility that this was a terrible accident' and allow them to find she committed each of the alleged crimes. 'We say there is no reasonable alternative explanation for what happened to the lunch guests, other than the accused deliberately sourced death cap mushrooms and deliberately included them in the meal she served them, with an intention to kill them,' Dr Rogers said. She asked jurors to consider what they would have done if it was really a horrible accident. 'Would you go into self-preservation mode just worrying about protecting yourself from blame?' the prosecutor asked. 'No. That's not what you'd do. You would do everything you could to help the people you love.' What the defence say Colin Mandy SC, Ms Patterson's barrister, began his address by listing out 'two simple issues' he said the jury would have to determine. These were; is there a reasonable possibility that death cap mushrooms were put into this meal accidentally, and is there a reasonable possibility that his client did not intend to kill her guests. Mr Mandy argued the prosecution had taken a flawed approach to the case, starting with the theory that Ms Patterson was guilty and working backwards by cherry-picking convenient fragments and discarding inconvenient truths. The defence lawyer told jurors the prosecution had sought to paint Ms Patterson as a cold and calculated killer who had spent months planning this crime, but he questioned what possible reason she would have to kill. He said Ms Patterson had no motive to want her husband or in-laws dead, arguing the evidence actually showed she had 18 years' of 'anti-motive' with strong and loving relationships with Simon's parents. 'There's no possible prospect that Erin wanted in those circumstances to destroy her whole world, her whole life. Surely it's more likely that her account is true,' he said. 'Don and Gail had never been anything but kind and understanding to Erin Patterson. There was absolutely no reason at all for her to hurt them in any way at all.' Mr Mandy argued the prosecution had made much of a short dispute Ms Patterson had with Simon in December 2022 to show there was tension in the family dynamics. But he said even Simon agreed the spat over their children's schooling and finances had simmered down by the end that month showed it was 'an entirely unremarkable minor blow-up'. Mr Mandy took the jury to a series of disparaging messages Ms Patterson sent about her in-laws to her online friends and to Don and Gail themselves in December, remarking this was her being honest about her feelings and standing up for herself. 'This was an aberration in her dealings with the Pattersons, and there is nothing to say otherwise,' he said. 'It stands out in this case because it's the only one.' The defence barrister reminded jurors of what Ms Patterson said about the reason for the lunch itself; that she'd been feeling 'isolated' from Don and Gail in recent months and was proactively trying to build bridges. He again questioned if it was more likely that she wanted to kill everyone or that she wanted to reconnect for the sake of her children. Moving on to the lunch and Ian Wilkinson's evidence that Ms Patterson ate from an orangey-tan dish while the other guests ate from large grey plates, Mr Mandy said Ian must have been mistaken. He pointed to footage taken by police at her home on August 5 which showed a small collection of plates – none of them grey or orangey-tan – and Simon's evidence that Ms Patterson did not have sets of matching plates. This, Mr Mandy said, was backed up by the evidence of Ms Patterson and the two children. 'The prosecution says, 'No, no, no, Ian's right and they're all wrong',' he said. 'Or, in Erin's case, not wrong or honestly mistaken. In Erin's case she's lying.' Mr Mandy suggested that it wouldn't make sense to use a different coloured plate to identify the unpoisoned meal, when it would be far simpler to mark the pastry. Turning to Ms Patterson's illness and actions after the lunch, Mr Mandy said she had told jurors she binge ate an orange cake Gail brought and made herself sick. He suggested that because she had not claimed she vomited immediately after the lunch, or that she saw the meal in her vomit it was more likely to be the truth. The defence barrister pointed to Ms Patterson's account of adding dried mushrooms to the duxelles when preparing the dish, thinking it tasted bland. He suggested jurors might think she continued to taste the dish, after accidentally adding death caps, and this would be a 'sensible reason why Erin became unwell earlier' than the others. Mr Mandy told the jury the evidence was Ms Patterson was sick, just not as sick as Don, Gail, Heather and Ian. He said the expert evidence was people could experience a range of illness severity even after eating the same meal. On Ms Patterson's account of feeding the leftovers of the lunch to her children for dinner a day later, Mr Mandy said there was no expert evidence to back up the Crown's claim this cannot be true because they did not get sick. 'We submit to you that's another invitation to speculation; to make an assumption rather than acting on the evidence,' he said. Mr Mandy told the jury there had been no evidence in the trial about what level of exposure to death cap toxins was required to affect the body or that vomiting a meal would leave a presence of the toxins. He pointed to evidence Ms Patterson had elevated haemoglobin and fibrinogen and low potassium; which intensive care professor Andrew Bersten said supported a diarrhoeal illness. 'Medical testing revealed three different factors,' he said. 'Three things that can't be faked.' Turning to her decision to leave hospital 5 minutes after arriving on July 31, Mr Mandy explained that his client was not prepared for what she walked into. 'In our submission to you when she left the hospital at 8.10am, there is only one reasonable explanation for why that happened, and that is she had arrived thinking she would be admitted to get some fluids for gastro,' he said. Instead she was subjected to an 'extremely intense five-minute interaction' and struggled to understand what she was being told. Mr Mandy told the court his client returned after doing what she said she needed to do to prepare and was admitted. He said it was on August 1, while in hospital in Melbourne, when Ms Patterson began to panic that she would be blamed for the illnesses. Mr Mandy told the court his client was not proud of the lies she told and the decisions she made, such as taking the dehydrator to the tip, but Ms Patterson was 'not on trial for being a liar'. 'She starts panicking and she starts lying from that point,' he said. 'All of the things that she did after the lunch fall into that category and none of them … can actually change what her intention was at the time of the lunch. Either she had the intention or she didn't. 'You can't change the past because you behave badly in the future.' In the days after the lunch, the jury was told, Ms Patterson told dozens of doctors, public health authorities and police she used button mushrooms from Woolworths and dried mushrooms she had purchased in April that year from an Asian grocer in Melbourne. On the stand, she maintained this was the case but said she now believed she may have added foraged wild mushrooms to the same Tupperware container. The barrister said photos of wild mushrooms found on a SD card supported Ms Patterson's account of developing an interest in foraging and eating mushrooms during the early Covid lockdowns in 2020. Mr Mandy said this interest also explains why computer records show she briefly looked up death cap mushroom sightings on the citizen science website iNaturalist in May 2022. 'It makes perfect sense that in the context of that dawning interest … that she would become aware of death cap mushrooms,' he said. 'And the question occurred to her because she was picking mushrooms in the wild, do they grow in South Gippsland?' Mr Mandy told the jury his client did not have to take the stand, but chose to place herself under 'such an incredible amount of scrutiny' from an experienced prosecutor. 'She came through that unscathed,' he argued. 'Her account remained coherent and consistent, day after day after day, even when challenged, rapid fire, from multiple angles, repeatedly.' Finishing his closing address, the barrister argued the prosecution can't get over the high bar of beyond reasonable doubt. 'If you think at the end of your deliberations … is a possibility that this was an accident, a reasonable possibility, you must find her not guilty,' he said. The trial continues.

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How wheels of justice are turning slower in NSW after 'great flood' at Downing Centre
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A magistrate may have 150 matters on their docket on any given sitting day in the Local Court, not to mention District Court matters and ongoing trials in that jurisdiction. Ms Ball describes the building as the "heartbeat of judicial access" for scores of people in NSW. "The disruption is quite enormous." The Department of Communities and Justice said assessment of the damage is ongoing and court staff are making "every effort to ensure matters are able to proceed wherever possible". Priority in the District Court has been placed on proceedings of some age, and where the accused is in custody. But it is "inevitable that some part-heard trials will have to be aborted", according to information handed to the NSW Bar Association from the Chief Judge of the District Court. The scramble to relist and relocate cases will have placed considerable pressure on registries and staff. Many matters have been shifted to the John Maddison Tower, on the other side of the block. One magistrate on Friday told parties appearing before her the "great flood" has meant she has completely lost access to her chambers. Jane Sanders, principal solicitor at the Shopfront Youth Legal Centre, said it's been a confusing week, particularly for clients. But professional bodies including the Bar Association and the Law Society have done their best to keep practitioners updated, as has the Department. "It has been really difficult," Ms Sanders told the ABC. "I think the courts have been working things out as they go along. "They've had to find — in a really short space of time — other courtrooms in other buildings where they can move things for defendants in criminal cases who are in custody which, unfortunately, I would say there's far too many." Thirteen people in custody in the downstairs cells of the Downing Centre had to be relocated for their safety on Tuesday. Two people had to be rescued from the lifts. Ms Sanders said she has been told of audio visual-link (AVL) appearances being cancelled on Thursday because of an impression nothing would be proceeding. "It has been a real shambles and that's no one's fault," she said "I think everybody's been doing the best they can, but having to find courtrooms and different arrangements urgently, that's been a real challenge." While Ms Sanders believes an unexpected adjournment may not be an issue particularly if someone is facing a minor criminal charge, concerns arise when a defendant is on remand and refused bail. And "kicking the can down the road for a month" may not be an option. "There's also a whole list full of cases next month. So it's not that simple," she said. It's not the first time the justice system has had to quickly adapt. During the COVID-19 pandemic, a heavier reliance was placed on AVLs and remote appearances. But Ms Sanders said the difference here is that in many cases, the proceedings need to be recorded and conducted in accordance with procedures that can only happen inside a courtroom. "Even during the COVID pandemic where all of the lawyers, the defendants, in some cases witnesses, were all dialling in from remotely, we still had magistrates and judges sitting in a courtroom with the recording equipment," she said. "With a few court staff to keep the wheels in motion with all the audio visual link equipment, all beaming into the court." If there is any silver lining to be seen from the timing of the flood, it's that next week marks a three-day annual conference for magistrates, followed by a mid-year recess the following week, for the Local Court.